I hate being the new kid on the block.

I don?t quite understand the OI run-time deployment licensing. I think I read it to mean that I have to contact Revsoft for a no charge run-time license? But is this license re-usable as many times as necessary? The wording is not clear to me. What I want to do is deploy beta copies of my app as I am working on it to a couple of my clients. Is that OK?

David

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David,

Whether you are deploying OI 16-bit or 32-bit, you are allowed to deploy an unlimited number of single user runtimes.

With the new OI 32-bit, there are two ways to get this single user runtime engine (at least the first time). The first way is to download the OI 4.0.1 Runtime Upgrade (Works members only), which will upgrade a 16-bit runtime to 32-bit, and give you a single user 32-bit runtime.

The second way is to email us a copy of an Oengine of yours, and we can create a single user, 32-bit engine that you can use to deploy your 32-bit betas, applications, what have you.

It is important to note that if you apply the 32-bit runtime upgrade to an existing 16-bit runtime system with more that a single user, you will lose additional users.

Let me know if that cleared things up any.

Kevin

Kevin,

On my development system with the latest build (), no oiengine.run was generated. Nor could I upgrade a runtime system directly. Of cause it could be an antiquated Oiengine.corrupt

BTW is the OI Client Install v 4.01 as on demo disk same as prievious Client install? ie its OK, current, and compatable with whats gone before.

While you're on OI32 licences:-

1) I understood the OI32 Ver 4 upgrade can be applied to single user development copy or single user runtime copy. The latter would then generate single-user 32-bit runtime apps just as 16-bit used to. However … I understood that with any copy with network licences the oengine.exe has to be sent to RTI to be upgraded without losing the licence count. Is this correct? If not, what exactly are the rules of this game?

2) With a network (runtime) copy, what is the upgrade sequence? Should the 3.7.5 oengine be sent to RTI then apply upgrade then reinstall oengine returned by RTI? Or what?

3) I can envisage case where new user has Win95 and wants to start with OI16 before upgrading their Win. Can he buy 32-bit network licences so that these can be used with OI16 and then later apply OI32 upgrade?

4) Also re OIPI Prof. Our users are on OIPI4.0 Std. Do they have to be upgraded to latest OIPI Std before upgrading to OIPI Prof (as hinted in another discussion item)? Can new user install OIPI Prof from scratch without first installing OIPI Std?

Maybe obvious and silly questions - but one doesn't half look a Charlie if one turns up on site and gets it wrong!

Thanks, folks

Richard Guise

Tornado Property Systems Ltd.

Richard,

If you are generating new OI 4.0.1 runtimes, you can get a OI 4.0.1 runtime engine from us. I need a copy of your Oengine to verify the serial number and the version. You can send it to me at [email protected].

Regarding upgrading runtimes:

In a day or so, OI 4.0.2 will be out. When that happens, we are going to create a link for the Works members to download the OI 4.0.1 runtime upgrade. This will upgrade the 16-bit runtimes to 32-bit runtimes. The upgrade will only create single user runtimes, even when applied to runtimes systems with more that one user, so be careful.

To upgrade runtime systems with more that one user, you need to:

1. Obtain a copy of the Runtime Upgrade.

2. Order the Oengine from Revelation stamped to your number of users.

When you order an Oengine with you number of users, you will need to send us your 16-bit Oengine so we can verify the usercount. We email you the new 32-bit Oengine with the proper number of users. Then you can run the runtime upgrade and then drop in the Oengine with the proper number of users.

Does it clear things up any?

Kevin

Richard,

]1) I understood the OI32 Ver 4 upgrade can be applied to single user development copy or single user runtime copy. The latter would then generate single-user 32-bit runtime apps just as 16-bit used to. However … I understood that with any copy with network licences the oengine.exe has to be sent to RTI to be upgraded without losing the licence count. Is this correct? If not, what exactly are the rules of this game?

There are two separate 32-bit upgrades: Runtime and Development. Up to this point, you were only able to download the Development upgrade. The runtime upgrade will be on the website Monday EST. When you run the upgrade against an existing 16-bit runtime system, it will upgrade and create only a single user Oengine, even if it was previously more.

To upgrade runtime systems with more that one user, you need to:

1. Obtain a copy of the Runtime Upgrade.

2. Order the Oengine from Revelation stamped to your number of users.

When you order an Oengine with you number of users, you will need to send us your 16-bit Oengine so we can verify the usercount. We email you the new 32-bit Oengine with the proper number of users. Then you can run the runtime upgrade and then drop in the Oengine with the proper number of users. Currently, the price of the users is on sale, but I know the special is ending in May.

]2) With a network (runtime) copy, what is the upgrade sequence? Should the 3.7.5 oengine be sent to RTI then apply upgrade then

reinstall oengine returned by RTI? Or what?

Please see above.

]3) I can envisage case where new user has Win95 and wants to start with OI16 before upgrading their Win. Can he buy 32-bit network

licences so that these can be used with OI16 and then later apply OI32 upgrade?

I don't see that being a problem. Order now and install later. I would probably order while the special is going on.

]4) Also re OIPI Prof. Our users are on OIPI4.0 Std. Do they have to be upgraded to latest OIPI Std before upgrading to OIPI Prof (as hinted in another discussion item)? Can new user install OIPI Prof from scratch without first installing OIPI Std?

If you are refering to OIPI in 16-bit OpenInsight, yes you need to upgrade in sequence. You cannot just install OIPI professional from scratch. If you are refering to 32-bit OpenInsight, the upgrade will take care of bringing you to OIPI Professional with the upgrade. No need to install anything separately.

Hope it helps,

Kevin

Thanks for your response(s) which have cleared up some issues.

Richard Bright

BrightIdeas New Zealand

[email protected]

Kevin

Thanks for very useful clarification.

I think you've missed the exact point on my no. 3.

For example… A new user might be planning to move from Win95 to XP (or be in process and have a mixture). Hence he must start with OI16 and with OI16 compatible network licences until he's all XP.

A while later he completes migration to XP and wants, as originally planned, to move to OI32. He then needs OI32 compatible network licences.

Should he :-

1) Install 32-bit licences on the 16-bit OI and they'll work fine with OI16 and then OI32 after upgrading. Thus a single purchase of network licences.

or

2) Buy 16-bit network licences and then have to upgrade these to 32-bit licences when upgrading to OI32 - hence having to pay another 45% or 100% network licence costs on top of his original purchase.

We haven't got this situation (yet?) - but I'm sure it will arise somewhere some time.

Regards

Richard

2) Buy 16-bit network licences and then have to upgrade these to 32-bit licences when upgrading to OI32 - hence having to pay another 45% or 100% network licence costs on top of his original purchase. We haven't got this situation (yet?) - but I'm sure it will arise somewhere some time.

Could happen here too. So what's the deal?

- Oystein -

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