Read the Letter from the President posted in the News & Info section of our web site.

Mr President,

Certainly, these could be exciting times. But the more I read your letter, the more I realise that nothing has changed.

No change on the future of OI - there appears to be none bar the usual niche development work. Developing specific areas like web deployment is just not going to attract anyone to OI - you may retain some customers for a little longer, but that's it.

No change on the replacement of OI - we are still talking jRev?? Yes??

No change on licencing - perhaps the area of greatest dispute (As one developer to another…?)

No change on network traffic improvement - an absolute killer.

No change on ODBC - nobody really expects lightning speed between LH and the World, just connectivity (without the drama of Warehousing).

As they say: The more things change, the more they stay the same.

N Stevenson:

I'm sorry that you feel this way.

I think the future for OI is bright. OI makes an excellent application engine for the web, and the MV architecture is being validated even more by XML.

Jrev will be the likely next step for Arev/OI developers- as I would think Java is the next logical step for all developers- platform independent, portable, etc.

The licensing *can't* change because of existing contractual obligations. As a fellow business person I'm sure you understand this. I understand the way that some developers feel about the licensing, but this is what we have and we will enforce it enthusiastically.

I don't believe that network traffic is an issue- are you using a Network Product? If you are having troubles please contact me ([email protected])and we'll take a look at it.

ODBC just doesn't fit- the ODBC rules and MV clash at many, many points. However, as I mentioned before, OI (and Arev!) can

create XML schemas and data better and easier than any other application I know of. And, as I recall, there were some

third party ODBC drivers available- have you checked these out?

So, again, I'm sorry you feel this way. If you'd like to talk directly call me at (201) 722 9814.

Thanks-

Mike Ruane

N.

How old are you, 3?

Sorry, there is no Santa Claus…

Slim

Mike,

Could you respond to two questions I have posed previously concerning jRev:

1) What is purpose and status of jLH? I thought it was a portal for Linear Hashed files to a java IO stream so if one insists on having Linear Hashed files they could be used with Java applications.

2) Why do we need Linear Hashing any more? Frequently contributors to this forum confuse MV architecture with Linear Hash. They are two different issues. Why can't we have a file with multivalued delimited data strings read by and written to our Java application? (I know the answer to this one but I would like you to respond for the rest of the community.)

Thanks,

Tom Savell

Thanks Mike.

"Jrev will be the likely next step for Arev/OI developers- as I would think Java is the next logical step for all developers- platform independent, portable, etc."

Yes, but when? Give us a definitive plan, a definitive product and lets see. The world, and our clients, aren't holding their breath…

"The licensing *can't* change because of existing contractual obligations. As a fellow business person I'm sure you understand this. I understand the way that some developers feel about the licensing, but this is what we have and we will enforce it enthusiastically."

In other words, let's just perpetuate the mistakes of the past. Sorry, Mike, that's a cop out. There's object licencing, which I absolutely believe in, and there's restrictive licencing (such as RLIST, database maintenance etc) which simply inhibits the ability of an object licenced app to have the resilience and flexibility of traditional products.

"I don't believe that network traffic is an issue- are you using a Network Product? If you are having troubles please contact me ([email protected])and we'll take a look at it."

I've never used OI without a network product. I simply won't install it out there without one. Sure it goes some way to improve performance, but OI (and ARev for that matter) generate vast amounts of traffic on a network - just put a sniffer onto the network and see for yourself, then try to work out what that traffic actually is!

"ODBC just doesn't fit- the ODBC rules and MV clash at many, many points. However, as I mentioned before, OI (and Arev!) can

create XML schemas and data better and easier than any other application I know of. And, as I recall, there were some

third party ODBC drivers available- have you checked these out?"

Sorry, got bitten by 3rd party bonds with ARev.

I don't want to sound negative, Mike, and I join the ranks of those wishing you every success. I have spent the last decade, at least, with RevG, ARev and OI and nothing would give me more joy than to see it succeed. But it's not going to be an easy ride.

Best wishes from all at Sprezzatura for a healthy and prosperous new year!

Sprezzatura International

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Same to you!

Tony

Cheers Tony - say hello everyone for us! Hopefully Tim's was magical - though what do you actually buy a baby for Xmas? Oh yes, gold, frankincense and myrhh. Get anything nice for Chrimbo?

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And from all of us to all of you the very best. It's been an interesting ride right??

Don C. Miller

President

C3 Inc.

Is that interesting in the Chinese curse sense?

We're continuing to have a fantastic time - still working with the same product range for more than 17 years - who else in the PC arena can say that?! Gosh I remember the panic that hit the Rev community when Emerald Bay (??!!) was released - it was bound to destroy us. But to cliche some more, that which does not destroy us….

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Sprezz ..

I think we have a tie. I worked with COSMOS (Roger Harpel, Mike Nourse, etc.) in December of 1982. Before that, worked for Dick Pick doing the Microdata Reality implementation – remember ENGLISH? Met Pick when I was in the Navy working for DOD (NSA as a crypto-freak). Though Pick was a stunningly bright, wild-and-crazy guy. That was before the gravity boots and the unlisted number for Pick Systems. As a side-bar, the serial number of my original COSMOS disks is 1938 (my birthyear).

Emerald Bay was kind of interesting in a lot of ways. I remember a project that Cosmos was considering to port Revelation to an ALTOS platform. Wouldn't that have been a hoot (UNIX and all)!

Happy New Year again..

Don

What … ? Who's that …. ? Oh go on then just a quick top up…

2001 ? Already !!

Well I remember putting on the Vegas jump suit but it's all a bit of a blur after that … but I'm sure I had a great time thanks.

Tony

Beats me! Spring/Summer 1983 working in PICK on a GA Zebra (thats a computer not wildlife). Tiny orange screen and a WP called JET. I remember our sales guy speaking to a customer and saying we can do anything with this new software because WE can write a PROC!!! I then had to justify it as the resident programmer!! Thinking about it not much has changed!!

Tony .. amen to that! Egad, I remember doing a 4 user timesharing system on a DEC PDP-4 (16K memory with punched paper tape for programming). It used Diablo 2.5mb removable hard disks. We used the 4K memory in the disk controller buffer to handle virtual memory paging. It turned out that this mess was upgraded to run MUMPS (remember that one!) and finally to run a stripped down version of PICK. What's really bizarre is that with memory and disk storage being "free" (almost), the real outcome is a pile of bloated inefficient code that just sucks up resources so you're left with about what you had on an XT!

Have a good new year. Brit beer is still better.

Don Miller

C3 Inc.

What an early PDP! The earliest I worked on was a PDP 11/70. Lovely dialect of Basic+ . Before that it was an ICL 1904 - before that something I can't remember with punch tape . Debugging with a scalpel - those were the days!

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Andrew ..

Almost as nice as wire-wrap programming for early IBM's. Egad .. ICL's never made much of a spash here, but they were hot stuff in Britland. They survived well on brown ale.

Don M.

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