Hi,

As the subject suggests, is it possible for me to evaluate both of the above products with a Win95b computer ? The computer doesn't have much grunt, only a P2-350 with 256 Mb RAM.

1. WIN95b

If I look at the 'readme' for OI 4.1.2, it states "This software will only run on Windows 98 Second Edition, WinNT 4.0, Win2000, and WinXP". If I look at the JOI setup guide, the minimum developmet O/S is 'any windows', and the recommended development is "Win98 and above". Is the operating system requirement/s only made because M$ do not support Win95 any more, or is there anything significantly different in the O/s's higher than Win95 that would hinder, impede, or even make it impossible for me to evaluate either product ?

2. Processor and RAM

It appears from reading the JOI Setup, that the P2-350 might _just_ do, for evaluation purposes. Is there any processor and RAM requirements for evaluating OI 4.1.2 ??

3. Currently using OI 3.7.2

The JOI setup guide states that for OI 16 bit users, an install of OICGI 3.7.3 is needed, and stated it can be downloaded from the RevSoft web site, the url supplied is http://www.revelation.com . I searched the website for "OICGI", too many, then used "OICGI/download", got a few, but of course, as I'm not a WORKS member, I can't access the 'OIdownload' section. Would installing the OI4.1.2 (first) result in supplying the correct version of the OICGI, to enable an evaluation of the JOI ?

4. JBuilder

I notice you can use JBuilder with JOI. Has anyone done this, any problems ?

5. Installing/evaluating/uninstalling.

I'm a little bit hesitant in installing the JOI and the OI 4.1.2 on the same computer that has the 16 bit OI installed at present. Are there any issues to be aware of that would (a) Hinder or result in version conflicts (DLL's, etc) with running OI 3.2.7.2 AND (eval) OI 4.1.2 AND JOI 2.2 on the same computer. From an old batch file I have the following files in the 16 bit install:

c:\windows\oinsight.ini

c:\windows\uninst16.exe

c:\windows\system\CTL3D.dll

c:\windows\system\CTL3DV2.dll

c:\windows\system\MFC250.dll

c:\windows\system\MFCO250.dll

c:\windows\system\MFCOLEUI.dll

c:\windows\system\NWCALLS.dll

c:\windows\system\ODBC.dll

c:\windows\system\ODBCINST.dll

c:\windows\system\OLE2PROX.dll

c:\windows\system\QELIB.dll

c:\windows\system\QEUTIL.dll

c:\windows\system\QLDBF.dll

c:\windows\system\QLTXT.dll

c:\windows\system\QLXLS.dll

c:\windows\system\SPIN.VBX

c:\windows\system\SSPP20.VBX

Are any of these overwritten in the JOI 2.2 eval or the OI 4.1.2 eval ? I guess the golden rule applies, back them up first, but what if I need/want to use the 16 bit OI whilst evaluating the OI and JOI ? What about uninstalling, any issues there ? We do have a computer with (almost) as much grunt , it is Win95b , 256Mb ram and a P2-300. Would it be better to keep the evaluations on a seperate machine ? What about if I would want to copy forms, etc from the 16 bit app, recompile with the OI 32 bit app, or test under JOI, any major problems with copying across the network (from memory, you can usually only do this whilst 'in' an OI application). Oh, .. that's right, forgot about APPBACKUP.

6. Other

Any other issues you can see potential problems and 'gotchas' with doing this, please advise. (I guess if the computer hasn't got the grunt or the right OS, I'll just forget it).

Thanks,

Peter

Peter,

As the subject suggests, is it possible for me to evaluate both of the above products with a Win95b computer ?

As a whole, this is not possible. Details below.

1. WIN95b

OI32 cannot run on anything less than Win98SE. It was challenging enough to make it compatable with Win98SE. JOI might run on something less because it only requires that the JDK be supported.

2. Processor and RAM

Your machine's processor and RAM are sufficient for OI32.

3. Currently using OI 3.7.2

The OICGI comes with OI 16-bit. It still requires a license to deploy but you can certainly evaluate. If you have the ability, you should download and use OI 4.1.2…it's just a much better environment that OI 3.7.2.

4. JBuilder

I've seen it developed in JBuilder. The beauty of JOI is that it will work in any IDE that supports 100% Java-compliant components.

5. Installing/evaluating/uninstalling.

There are no problems with having 16-bit and 32-bit OpenInsight on the same machine. Any system files they might install get installed in separate SYSTEM folders. Usually you have a SYSTEM and SYSTEM32 for this.

Are any of these overwritten in the JOI 2.2 eval or the OI 4.1.2 eval ?

OINSIGHT.INI might be overwritten, but this doesn't hurt anything.

Would it be better to keep the evaluations on a seperate machine ?

I can't think of a compelling reason for doing so.

What about if I would want to copy forms, etc from the 16 bit app, recompile with the OI 32 bit app, or test under JOI, any major problems with copying across the network (from memory, you can usually only do this whilst 'in' an OI application). Oh, .. that's right, forgot about APPBACKUP.

Well I think you made a good argument for evaluating both on the same machine. Much easier to transfer OI components.

6. Other Any other issues you can see potential problems and 'gotchas' with doing this, please advise. (I guess if the computer hasn't got the grunt or the right OS, I'll just forget it).

Well if you are stuck with Win95B (but I would have to ask "Why?") then you might be able to test with OI 3.7.2.

dbakke@srpcs.com

SRP Computer Solutions, Inc.

Hi Don,

1. WIN95b

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Okay, thanks, that clears it up. I have been able to run various versions of the JDK on the Win95b computers, so it looks like I can only evaluate the JOI.

2. Processor and RAM

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Great (phew !!!).

3. Currently using OI 3.7.2

As it definitely appears I cannot run OI 4.1.2, would I be able to (technically and RevSoft license wise) actually install the eval OI 4.1.2, just so that I can grab the OICGI 3.7.3 ; otherwise, I won't be able to even evaluate JOI.

4. JBuilder & 5. Installing/evaluating/uninstalling.

Understood, thanks.

6. Other

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Currently disabled, hence out of work. I can only work from home, so no spare $$$$$

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But, I could only evaluate JOI.

Thanks,

Peter

Peter,

As it definitely appears I cannot run OI 4.1.2, would I be able to (technically and RevSoft license wise) actually install the eval OI 4.1.2, just so that I can grab the OICGI 3.7.3 ; otherwise, I won't be able to even evaluate JOI.

I don't know if this will work. I'm certain that there are OI system routines that are required in order for OICGI 3.7.3 to work. I didn't realize that 3.7.3 was the minimum requirement.

dbakke@srpcs.com

SRP Computer Solutions, Inc.

Hi Don,

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Okay, thanks. BTW, this is a pretty dumb question, but how did you get (my reply) to appear in italics ? I'm using Mozilla and can't seem to do it, and even tried preparing replies in a composer, which displayed the italics, but as soon as I pasted back to the 'reply' (here), bingo, the italic font disappeared. I see people put links and logos in also, possibly Mozilla/Netscape flavours won't do this, but IE will ? Sorry this is off tpoic, but I'm dumb and stupid most times.

Peter

Peter,

To use HTML tags you have to enclose them in square brackets. Like this:

{}Italic Text{}

Except replace {} with .

dbakke@srpcs.com

SRP Computer Solutions, Inc.

Peter,

There were internal changes to Oi as well as an updated 3.7.3; so you cannot just swap in the new exe.

Thanks

Hi Don,

To use HTML tags you have to enclose them in square brackets. Like this:

Hope it worked !! :)

Thanks,

Peter

Hi,

There were internal changes to Oi as well as an updated 3.7.3; so you cannot just swap in the new exe.

I only wanted to use the OICGI 3.7.3 in the JOI evaluation. I _think_ your reply is assuming I'm going to evaluate OI 4.1.2, but I can't (won't, don't have the rigt OS). Or, are you saying that to evaluate JOI 2.2, I do actually need not only the OICGI 3.7.3, but also the 32 bit OI installed ? If that is true, I can't see it in the 'Geting Started' guides.

Thanks,

Peter

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