Hi, everyone! Welcome to the new Works board!

The new Works board, as you can see, is run in O4W (those of you who've used O4W will recognize that the overall listing of discussions is generated by an O4W report, and reading/writing the individual posts is done with an O4W form). Since there are a lot of new features, and changes to features you're all used to, I thought maybe I'd give you a brief overview of how things work…

When you choose to list the discussions (using the left hand links "All by Date", "All by Author", etc.) you'll be brought either directly to a listing of the matching discussions, or a "collector window" in which you can specify additional details, and then you'll see the listing of matching discussions. You can sort the results by clicking on any of the column headers (notice the little arrows?), and page through the results using the bottom pagination. You can also search within the results by typing in any search text into the search box on the results page.

Once you've found a discussion you want to read, click on the date/time stamp to open up another tab (or window, depending on your browser) which will contain the selected topic. You'll also see the related threads, and you can click on any of them as well. When you're done reading the entry, you can choose to reply, or start a new topic, or return to the discussion list; this will close the new window that the selected topic is displayed in. We're using this "multi-tabbed" approach so that you can keep the discussion list tab - searched, sorted, etc. as you like - untouched. It's a little different, I know, but hopefully it'll prove to be a convenience.

If you reply to a topic, or start a new main topic, you'll be taken to yet a different tab, where you can enter your text. Unlike the old Works forum, the new Works forum does not accept straight HTML; this is done for system security, and is pretty much the standard on most bulletin boards now. Instead, we support something called "bbcode", and you can use enter it using the nifty "mark it up!" text control. You'll see a series of icons at the top; select one of them to insert the appropriate markup. If you want to see what your text looks like (when the bbcode is interpreted), click on the check mark at the top, and you'll see how your post will be rendered.

If you want to link to a post, you'll find a textbox showing the "Link to this entry" text; just copy it, and it'll provide the proper link to use. If you ever jump to link (say, someone emails the "link to this entry" to you, and you click on that link), it'll open up just that posting; if you then want to go to the discussion list, you'd use the left-hand links.

Oh, and over time, we may introduce other ways to search the Works forum and generate the list of discussions - letting you select particular dates to search, or different combinations of categories/dates/authors, etc.

Finally, you'll also notice a new RSS feed on the lower left of the page; this allows you to 'subscribe' to the Works forum, and see whenever something has been added.

I'm sure we'll have changes to make as we iron out the new implementation, but hopefully these tips will make you feel a bit more comfortable navigating around. Please let us know what problems you're encountering, and we'll do what we can to reduce or eliminate them.

Thanks again!

- Bryan Shumsky

Revelation Software

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The DELETE button is active???

So it is :sad:. It leaves a post entitled "Invalid Post" from Revelation Software.

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Also, Rows per page seems to be superfluous, doesn't matter what you change it to.

And, creating a new main topic it doesn't allow change of Author as it does on responses. This is useful for companies where there are more that one user per works licence …

Regards,

Simon

DELETE button? What delete button?

OK, DELETE button deleted.

But the license agreement specifically excludes such a scenario - it says

Every individual who accesses the “WORKS Subscribers” section on the revelation.com website for upgrades, WORKS content, services, etc. must have an active Works Subscription. Proper licensing can be determined by ensuring each individual has his/her own unique user name and password. Login details are personal to the individual and cannot under any circumstances be shared with another individual, colleague or otherwise.

Also, Rows per page seems to be superfluous, doesn't matter what you change it to.

After you change the value (say, from 20 to 40), and then tab off the rows per page prompt, doesn't the page redraw for you (and repaginate) with that number of rows? If you're using IE, you may actually need to click somewhere else on the page (it may not see the "lost focus" when you just tab away).

Simon,

Andrew is correct in that the agreement prohibits such use of the Works. The new forum was designed to ensure that the Author name could not be changed.

Sean FitzSimons

Revelation Software

There's too much wasted space on top. IMO, I wish the discussions would start higher on the page. As is, you have to look further down the page before you get to the "meat". Also, the new Work is slower. Compare this to the other non-work side.

FWIW. Thanks,

Ray Chan

It does now !!!

Simon

I choose to display as "Flat by Date" but this old post always appears at the top???

It's a "sticky". Stickies are deemed important enought to always display first.

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Hi Bryan,

Is there a setting that can be set so when I first go to the Works section the discussions will be listed in descending date order. If you answered this already, I apologize. Here is what I see now when I log into Works. Notice that the discussion are not sorted. At first, I thought nothing has been posted since July 12th.

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Thanks,

Ray Chan

P.S. Also maybe the Save button can be put closer to the Reply area. I had to scroll down to find it

Let me try again. Do we not need the [] to display images in Work. (Let's see).

<img src="http://www.symmetryinfo.com/images/oibug/FirstWorkView.jpg">

Hope this displays.

Hope the image will display now

I guess I should have read thru the note first :wink:

Hi Ray,

Not replying for Bryan, but… my observation is that - confirmed by your image - that the discussion thread IS listed in descending date order (or am missunderstanding)

Note however that the STICKY is - by definition, at the top.

Richard

Hope the image will display now

I guess I should have read thru the note first :wink:

…and that's why the "sticky" stays at the top - so it's easy to find when you need to read it.

Yes, as Richard mentioned - and as your image confirmed, I believe - it is all sorted, with the exception of any "sticky" posts that remain at the top.

Hope that helps…

- Bryan Shumsky

Revelation Software

Hi Bryan,

It looks great but is there a way to increase the font size? Maybee it's just me but my eyes are not getting any younger…:smile:

Thnaks,

John

Yes the Rows per page is working for me also, but is there a way to save this setting? As soon as I go back to "Flat by Date" it's back to 20.

John

Yes the Rows per page is working for me also, but is there a way to save this setting? As soon as I go back to "Flat by Date" it's back to 20.

John

As of now, this value is reset when you bring up the report; however, I'm currently working on a "user configuration screen" that will let you set some user-specific settings and perhaps the default "rows per page" can be one of them.

Thanks,

- Bryan Shumsky

Revelation Software

It's standards compliant so Ctrl+ works for me?

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Correct. In addition, you should all now see a "User Preferences" link in the left-hand menu (if you don't, please refresh your page). On the user preferences form, you can now set some defaults, including:

• Your email address (so you can "subscribe" to threads);
• A default font size (so you don't have to ctrl+/ctrl- to change font size);
• The number of rows to show/page in the discussion listing;
• Whether you want to subscribe to the threads you post on by default;
• Whether you want to open a new tab/window when you drill into a post from the discussion listing;
• Whether you want to automatically quote any post you're replying to

Some of these settings may change, or others may be added (maybe a default signature?), depending on how this all works, but please feel free to go in and set up your personal preferences.

Bryan,

The number of Rows does not seem to be "sticky"… :)

John

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Bryan,

The number of Rows does not seem to be "sticky"… :)

John

Hi, John. Did you mean if you change it on the forum listings page itself? Or perhaps that my comment on how to change it isn't sticky? Or that, after changing it in the User Preferences screen, it doesn't seem to change for you?

HI Bryan,

Sorry for being ambiguous… I changed the setting in the User Preferences and when I go back to "Flat by Date" it only shows 20 but the prompt shows 50. If I click into the field and tab out it goes back to 50.

John

Okay it looks like it's work ing now.

On another note, when I read a post in the thread and want to go back to the full listing, I am required to click the "back" button twice…

Thanks,

John

Okay it looks like it's work ing now.

On another note, when I read a post in the thread and want to go back to the full listing, I am required to click the "back" button twice…

Thanks,

John

Did you switch to "do not open a new tab/window" in the user preferences? I think I see that behavior when that's my setting, too. I'll continue to see if there's a fix for that. For now, just keep clicking

Did you switch to "do not open a new tab/window" in the user preferences? I think I see that behavior when that's my setting, too.

On a related note to that, I've noticed in Opera 11.50 that the radio button seems reversed. When "Disable opening of new tabs/windows" is set to "Yes" then it opens in a new tab.

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A couple of glitches:

Using the search page from the navigation menu bar (Home ContactUs login/register Search)

When I submit a search phrase I get the response:

Error 500

HTTP Web Server: Application Exception - Search string is empty

Also how or when will be able to access posts from before 2010?

And finally when I make changes to the User Preferences and save them I get the Save Record popup/dialog box. Clicking OK does nothing - I have to click the 'x' on the upper right corner to close it.

The search change is my responsibility. You may notice the quick search dialog was removed from the black bar and searches can only be performed by clicking the "Search" button and then entering . On the search page if the search criteria next to the round search button is empty when the search is submitted the "search string is empty" error will be returned. Does this explain what you are encountering? If not, please email me a screen shot of the page before you submit the search results to jared@revelation.com

Two more issues that need to be addressed:

1) Searches only search the last year of posts, not all the posts.

2) In the old message board, the browser could remember all the previous searches that were entered, so frequent searches could be easily recalled. Now the search box does not remember any searches at all.

Thanks.

Don

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Hi Jared

When I type search words into Search the WORKS Discussion board input box and click on the "search WORKS forum" button I get the error.

And today the General Site Search wasn't returning any hits. I'll type in the search words and click on the Search button with the magnifying glass icon and nothing happens except the form clears.

Did you switch to "do not open a new tab/window" in the user preferences? I think I see that behavior when that's my setting, too.

On a related note to that, I've noticed in Opera 11.50 that the radio button seems reversed. When "Disable opening of new tabs/windows" is set to "Yes" then it opens in a new tab.

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It looks like the flag I was using was a bit "ambiguous" - I apparently couldn't decide if it meant _suppress_ a new window, or _open_ a new window

Can you check to see if it behaves properly now? And to anyone/everyone else who prefers the "no new tab/window" behavior, please check your user configuration settings so that you say "Yes" to DISABLE the new tab/window?

Thanks!

Bryan,

Okay, I checked my setting and changed it to Yes, disable new tab. When I closed the User Preferences the setting did not work. However, after a refresh of the page the setting is now working.

You still have to go back twice to get back to the forum however.

I know I should start another thread… but can you change where the "Save" "Cancel" and "Exit" buttons appear when replying to a post? As I am typing I find it un-intuitive to have to scroll way down to complete the post. This is worse with a large number of threads.

Thanks,

John

Bryan,

Okay, I checked my setting and changed it to Yes, disable new tab. When I closed the User Preferences the setting did not work. However, after a refresh of the page the setting is now working.

You still have to go back twice to get back to the forum however.

I know I should start another thread… but can you change where the "Save" "Cancel" and "Exit" buttons appear when replying to a post? As I am typing I find it un-intuitive to have to scroll way down to complete the post. This is worse with a large number of threads.

Thanks,

John

Yes, you do need to refresh the listing for the changes to be seen.

If you use the "Return to Forum" button (rather than pressing the Back button), you'll find that it does the 2 "go backs" for you.

Unfortunately, because of the way the O4W Form Wizard lays out the form, the bottom buttons are, indeed, on the bottom - below the "content" of the form, which includes the Related Threads. I can't think of an easy work around for that right now. However, I can update the form definition to put the buttons on the top as well as the bottom of the form - perhaps they're easier to use there?

- Bryan Shumsky

Revelation Software, Inc.

Can you check to see if it behaves properly now? And to anyone/everyone else who prefers the "no new tab/window" behavior, please check your user configuration settings so that you say "Yes" to DISABLE the new tab/window?

It works properly now. Thanks.

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Yes, you do need to refresh the listing for the changes to be seen.

Fwiw, I changed the setting and it just worked.

Maybe that's the magic of Opera?

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